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Raisty666 |
Why has metal always been stereotyped as satanic? |
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You know, one thing that really pisses me off is that, since its conception, metal music has been wrongfully and unfairly stereotyped by religious nutballs and ignoramuses as being of satan.
I have seen evil and its name is Curt Cobain.
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Thagirion3 |
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Well that's just it there IS NO connection. Don't worry about it man. Metal covers nearl all topics and Satan is just a small part of it done by a few bands. The religious wakos are to narrow minded to see what an all encompasing style metal is.
Thagirion
When bloody angels spread their wings, We're drowning in madness, the heart of the Unicorn... Dwelling in sadness, the heart of the Unicorn... Is DEAD -Gamma Ray - |
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Outdoor Metal Rocker |
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Here here I believe it was started years ago in the 70's with Sabbath and how they were lumped in the thisd is evil catagorie. From there any band that had similar qualities and what songs were played were also lumped into the same catagorie.
It's had a snowball effect ever since. If they ever took the time and really listen to the music they wouldn't do that. But hey they needed some genre to pick on so why not metal. And even today it's still the same. Why don't they pick on the hip hop, rap scene they are much more worse than metal ever was. Hell the kill over who's popular and in control. I mean some of those bands every other word is @#%$ this, @#%$ that, and @#%$, @#%$, @#%$. Oh the cooperate mind set is for the record companies to make as much money from those so called artists and then move on. With metal we are true to what we love and most are in it for the music and not the cooperate mindset. So yeah ignore it they haven't a clue to what there saying! "Outdoor Metal Rocker" NP: Vision Divine - S/T |
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cexshun |
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Well, the religous wackos say metal is satanic, then start quoting Deicide. The public hears these arguements and proof, and they believe it. After all, they have quotes and concert footage.
What people don't understand is that the bands quoted are select bands from a particular niche. I can say rap promotes violence against police and quote "Cop Killer", by NWA. However, since rap is now mainstream, people will dismiss this because the radio is flooded with non-violent rap like Sisco and Nelly. |
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Ciatol |
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Quote: Say that rap promotes violence and or drug use and or alcoholism and or sex. You'd be hard pressed to find a rap song that doesn't contain one of the 4 :P |
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Raisty666 |
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Personally, I don't really care what religion any true metal band belongs to. They believe what they want to believe ,and that's their business and none of mine. Religious orientations of musicians shouldn't be a deciding factor when purchasing their music, in fact I find doing so is very discriminitory and religiously intolerant.
And the argument that religious radicals raise that by listening to metal that is performed by satanists you'll become a satanist yourself is ridiculous to the point of being hillarious. I mean, I listen to Dimmu Borgir, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out and murder a million Christians and sacrifice them to satan, especially with the fact that I'm a Christian myself! This kind of reminds me of this one argument I had with one friend I had at one time (who shall remain nameless) who was just about as fanatical as they come, so fanatical in fact that he could have come from another planet. I, being a big vampire fan started talking about vampire movies to him, and he then screamed at me at the top of his lungs and said that vampire movies are of satan and that if I watched them I would turn into a vampire and roam the night forever offering my victim's blood to satan. I then laughed at him, thinking he was joking, and said in a cheesy Transylvanian accent "Beware mortals! Tonight your blood and souls are mine!! MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!" He then screamed at me like a raving madman and said that he wasn't kidding at all, and that I was in danger of the fires of hell. Well, soon after that I broke it off with this kid both becuase he was a violent fanatic, and I found at from other people that he was actually mentally insane, and had violently attacked many of his fellow students/teachers in school to the extent of biting them and trying to throttle them to death, and this poor whacko even beat up his own mother! I confronted him about it, and he said that why he was acting this way is because two demon lords directly under satan, named Sun Scorpion and some other name like Larkashog or something were torturing his soul and had been doing so since his birth. And that's when I decided that being a friend to this fruitcake may indeed pose a serious danger to my sanity and even my health! My point here is, people shouldn't believe what the zealots say about true metal because some, certainly not all, but some of them may very well be violent insaniacs like that kid, who don't have a clue what their talking about. Now there are some times when some metal bands can go too far, such as Cradle of Filth's song "I Raped the Virgin Mary and Sodomized the Bastard Christ" and what that one satanic band (forget their name) did lately at their concert with the nude women hanging on the crosses, that to me is just plain dispicable, but those are in the extreme scenarios. So mainly, you won't find stuff like that in metal unless you go looking for it. Just like gangs in a big city like New York and Chicago, a gang isn't going to come up and kill you if you're just walking down the street, minding your own business, you have to go looking for trouble like that to find it. Oh, and one minor note here, I think it has been established that Black Sabbath wasn't a satanic band at all. Like good ol' Ozzy said they only thing they conjured up was a box of chocolates! I have seen evil and its name is Curt Cobain.
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Ashkael |
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You know, this is a very easy question to answer. Just go to the End Records front page and take a look at the covers of most of the albums. Most metal albums have covers that depict images that in one way or another may strike some people as "satanic" or anti-religious.
Let me give you some quick examples of some album covers that fall in this category, even though the band in question is completely innocent of the satanic charges: Gamma Ray's Somewhere Out In Space and No World Order, Edguy's Tears of a Mandrake, Iced Earth's Burnt Offerings and Something Wicked This Way Comes, almost all Manowar covers, Virgin Steele's Marriage of Heaven and Hell (I and II), Helloween's The Dark Ride, some Blind Guardian ones, almost all Iron Maiden covers, and I can just go on and on with the list. I've had some people ask me if I'm into satanic music after they take a quick look at my CD collection! Besides that, the way some bands like to portray themselves (their image) is a huge factor. Things such as swords, leather, long hair, and a dark or gothic atmosphere in posters can give that impression to people (think Nightwish!). And don't get me started on singers! Last year one of my roomates told me that Helloween was a satanic group because the singer's voice (the great Andi Deris) sound very diabolical and mean, and that was in the ballad If I Knew! I'm glad he didn't heard Mr. Torture or Push! Granted, some of this stuff is just plain ignorance. However, what the hell do you think comes to some people's minds when they see a bloody succubus on Brainstorm's Soul Temptation album? |
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Raisty666 |
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[quote]Let me give you some quick examples of some album covers that fall in this category, even though the band in question is completely innocent of the satanic charges: Gamma Ray's Somewhere Out In Space and No World Order, Edguy's Tears of a Mandrake, Iced Earth's Burnt Offerings and Something Wicked This Way Comes, almost all Manowar covers, Virgin Steele's Marriage of Heaven and Hell (I and II), Helloween's The Dark Ride, some Blind Guardian ones, almost all Iron Maiden covers, and I can just go on and on with the list. I've had some people ask me if I'm into satanic music after they take a quick look at my CD collection![/quote]
WHAT?!!! Dude, you gotta be kidding me! Obviously these whackos that are telling you this crap have never heard of fantasy/sword and sorcery art before, because that what the art on the covers is, fantasy art! It's not satanic in the least! And if these people think that fantasy art is of satan, then they seriously need psychiatric help, I'm serious! And the Andi Deris comment is just plain ridiculous!! I've never heard such bull crap in all my life! God gave singers each a unique singing voice, so therefore its impossible for voices to be satanic! Personally, I love Andi Deris' rough-sounding voice. And I can sing a bit myself, and my voice is naturally bellowly and a bit growly. It's a bit of a mix between Kai Hansen's voice and Alice Cooper's voice. I'm even planning on forming a power metal band, I'm writing the lyrics and have made up a name for it and everything, and I plan the artwork on the covers to be dark fantasy/horror oriented, so if anyone says that I'm a satanist or anything like that, I'll tell them to just blow it out their arse! I have seen evil and its name is Curt Cobain.
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Ashkael |
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WHAT?!!! Dude, you gotta be kidding me! Obviously these whackos that are telling you this crap have never heard of fantasy/sword and sorcery art before, because that what the art on the covers is, fantasy art! It's not satanic in the least! And if these people think that fantasy art is of satan, then they seriously need psychiatric help, I'm serious!
You have to remember that not everyone is as open minded as you or me! And besides, some people just don't know what is fantasy art and that kind of stuff. Last year I was sitting at the computer lab at my university browsing Draconis' webpage where he has his metal collection. I was browsing the Edguy page just when a friend, who likes punk music, came near me to tell me something. He looked at the cover of the Tears of a Mandrake album, and asked me what was that. I told him that it was the cover of a metal album. He then asked me why in that kind of music they always have such silly covers. And honestly I don't believe that anyone that listens to say, rap music, will be able to appreciate the beauty of such covers. You know, you have to be open minded enough to know that some people will always be ignorant by choice. There's nothing you can do about it. |
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illevor |
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If you're wondering why metal is associated with satanism so often, just take a look at your own name... the 666 signifies satan.
Why did you put it there? because it sounds cool, or because you love satan? |
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Lone Defender |
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Some metal bands, in an attempt to distance themselves from the mainstream, feel the need to take on little masks to hide what they really are...two-bit hacks. The majority of "satanic" metal bands don't know what they're talking about, they just like the imagery and the publicity it draws. They don't consider the effect it has on real metal bands. I know a few satanists, and none of them are fans of the so-called satanic metal. They think it's a joke. I usually don't let religious orientation interfere with my music, unless it's blatantly satanic, such as Manowar's Bridge of Death. Songs like that turn me off in a hurry. I just want powerful, true metal. That's it.
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Raisty666 |
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Quote: Because it sounds cool of course!! Is this your idea of a joke Illevor, because if it is, it isn't very funny. And if your serious, then your pretty much spitting in the face of the religious tolerance rules of this board. I didn't intend for this thread to become a religious bashfest. I have seen evil and its name is Curt Cobain.
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cexshun |
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Raisty, I think he was just making the point, and a GREAT one I may add, on why people think metal is Satanic.
And just as I don't know much about rap, I'd be hard pressed to name a song not about drugs, rape, ho's, etc. BUT, find someone who doesn't know much about metal and ask them to name a metal song not about death, destruction, Satan, or insanity/mental torment. Yes, there are many out there. But saying all rap is about rape, drugs, money, etc is EXACTLY what we're complaining about here! |
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Ashkael |
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Because it sounds cool of course!! Is this your idea of a joke Illevor, because if it is, it isn't very funny. And if your serious, then your pretty much spitting in the face of the religious tolerance rules of this board. I didn't intend for this thread to become a religious bashfest.
Whoa! Take it easy there! Illevor was spot on with his comment. He really made you put your foot in your mouth, but there's no need for agression. Just chill out. |
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Punksagoth |
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Metal music has been many times considered Satanic because of the sound, image, and acts of bands. People who here bands with singers with clean vocals do not even think about this as it does not sound that way. As for the image, that is all it is, nothing more. Most of the acts are done by bands that want to be known for that, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. As for the 666, I could understand why it is known as a Satanic symbol, it is mentioned in the Bible. However, people have made it what it is, all it is, is a symbol, nothing more, nothing less. Although it is true what has been pointed out earlier, the whole is judged by a few, which is unfair when most metal music has so much beauty to it.
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illevor |
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Brother,
I wasn't trying to offend you, only to make you think. If you don't like metal being associated with satanism- don't promote it! I hate it when people assume all metalheads are satanists or skinheads. But it is a stereotype that goes with the genre. |
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Yeah, I have to agree with illevor on this one. No matter how cool 666 and pentagrams, goatheads, etc may look or sound, you still have to recognize them for what they are-Satanic symolism. No offense meant here...just trying to promote a little awareness.
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jelloman666 |
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the whole image of metal is santanic symbolism, doesn't mean metal bands believe in that @#%$, just like pop artist that wears crucifix doesn't mean they're christians that goes to church every sunday. without the evil imagery metal wouldn't be metal that's like country music not having the cowboy imagery or rap not having a pimp/gansta imagery. santanic imagery and metal is a perfect match, metal is horror music.
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Ciatol |
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This topic is two years old :P
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Carnival In Coal |
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The true number of the beast is 616 anyways so you can disprove half of religious wackos assualts on metal being satanic AND piss them off for not knowing the true number.
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Bitter Cycle |
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I wouldn't call them religious"wackos", just misinformed. Besides, you have Christian Metal and mainstream pop Christian genres. Generalizing people is a two way street.
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